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Re: nVidia is OS?



>
> > and if i pull something from freshmeat chances are it doesnt muck with 
>the
> > kernel.  you find me a single thing on fresh meat that alters the kernel 
>and
> > i will find you a thousand.
>
>Well, a search on "Linux kernel" on FM turned up 324 projects.
>
>http://freshmeat.net/projects/zkshim/
>http://freshmeat.net/projects/linuxquestions/
>http://freshmeat.net/projects/linux-ow-patch/
>http://freshmeat.net/projects/vesa3.0linuxkernelservices/
>http://freshmeat.net/projects/yokelinuxkerneldriver/
>http://freshmeat.net/projects/devled/
>http://freshmeat.net/projects/11logger/
>http://freshmeat.net/projects/acpmodem/
>http://freshmeat.net/projects/advancedplaystationjoystick/
>http://freshmeat.net/projects/afwd/
>http://freshmeat.net/projects/alsadriver/
>http://freshmeat.net/projects/amdk6-iictx-kernpatch/
>
>You wanna bet very few of those contributors are RHCEs or RH employees?

i will give you this because i dont want to check all of them out.

>
> > im talking about nvidia altering the kernel and
> > knowing what they are doing vs redhat altering the kernel and knowing 
>what
> > they are doing.
>
>What about Libranet? Or Xandros? or Mandrake or SuSE? Is there some
>magical measurable criteria you use for determining "knowing what they are
>doing"? Sales volume? Stock price? Employees? Please also disclose
>financial interests in RH if that's part of your cheerleading too.
>

cheerleader? pot. kettle. black. :P

im not talking about any other distro, no need to bring them into this.  the 
fact that redhat is such a strong player tells me that they did something 
right.  they have a serious interest in a stable production system.  as you 
state later the primary buyer is the enterprise.  enterprise users dont like 
downtime on servers for any reason.



> > redhat has a vested interest in pushing out a stable
> > product on top of a tested stable kernel.  nvidia does not,
>
>Baloney. nVidia has a vested interest in delivering high-performance 3D
>drivers that DO NOT BREAK THEIR CUSTOMER'S SYSTEMS. Their interest is
>no less noble than Redhat's. It's why their latest drivers/installers
>make it even easier to deal with kernel upgrades.

nvidia's revenue stream does not depend upon their linux drivers ATM.  they 
only have to be "good enough".  redhat's revenue stream comes from ppl using 
rh linux.

>
>It's certainly easier than dealing with binary API changes in, say, gcc. 
>;-}

true, this did break alot, but it had to be done at some time (although they 
did push the envelope a bit quick me thinks)

>
> > their market caters to the 95% who run windows, not the 2-4% who run 
>linux.
>
>All the more reason to make sure their market with the biggest potential
>for growth (and believe me, they *definitely* care about growth) has a
>great experience with nVidia hardware and related drivers.
>

heh, you give consumers too much credit me thinks :P

>nVidia sinks some money and programmers into XFree86 and the advancement
>of high-performance 3d graphics. Redhat, on the other hand, doesn't.
>
>That tells me that Redhat doesn't have their "kernel guys" looking to
>make the kernel better for graphics cards - their market caters to the
>95% who will *pay* for Linux, namely enterprises and for running servers,
>not the 2-4% who will pay for a desktop/game-focused distro.
>

and its the same enterprise customers who are more picky about the system 
running stable... for weeks and months and years.

if you want a desktop game focused distro linux isnt it yet, it has a long 
way to go.

thats not to say i wouldnt enjoy it being there, just that its nowhere near 
there yet (despite what alot of others would say)


im not saying that you or anyone else has had trouble with nvidia, only that 
i myself dont want them mucking with my kernel if i can help it.

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